Circumpolar Current; Framing The Question.

I gave what I think to be a short answer as to why that water goes round and around Antarctica.  But here is me framing the question that needs to be answered:

I think a cheap and nasty study should be engaged upon to see if the gigantic power of the Antarctic Circumpolar current can be explained easily by wind friction alone. I would doubt it myself. I would think that what we ought to have instead, if relying on wind friction, ought to be a fairly shallow weak sort of affair. Moving around and around but only feebly so. Its a bit like those super-rotating cloud banks on Venus that lack a good conventional explanation. Not much coriolis forces to work with on Venus. Convection remains an upward, randomised swirling force and cannot be press-ganged into explaining persistent powerful horizontal movement. People try to make that convection work in their minds eye for these sorts of things. But they cannot do it, so they move on and delegate these things to the building 7 part of their brain.

Of course even if the wind friction could explain the entirety of this power, we’d still have to have satisfying reasons for the consistency and power of the winds at sea level. But for those who are able to put together some draft back-of-the-envelope calculations to these things, from home and using only satellite data, I think its a worthy undertaking, even if you could never hope to complete the task, without funding and a team from crossover specialties. We don’t want to leave these things as eternal mysteries of life and elephants in the room. What could make the water just seem to act strange and go around and around like that? Think of the machinery that it would take to replicate such a thing artificially? The length and power of the flow of the Circumpolar Current, makes the Amazon rivers efforts, look feeble indeed. This is even the case although the Amazon has gravity working in its favour . No gravity to help out the Circumpolar Current. Plus cold salty water is far more viscous than warm fresh water. The mystery compounds on itself.

The Gulf stream is called a thermohaline current. The Gulf Stream has heat and saltiness differentials working for it. So people assume they have that powerful North-South energy explained and they think there is nothing more to see here. Well you know. I have my doubts about that also. But those explanations, or partial explanations, aren’t there for the Circumpolar Current. So I think its a serious mystery under the paradigms that hold sway at the moment. And I think it ought to be dwelt upon and looked at with much curiosity.

32 thoughts on “Circumpolar Current; Framing The Question.

  1. “….what is the mechanism that causes the stratosphere to become buoyant for a few decades, then to sink once more?”

    Thats a thing to dwell on isn’t it? If thin cold air stays suspended above thicker “wetter” air thats a little bit strange since you would expect some low level mixing the whole time. But still its fair enough. Its lighter, its drier. But if that same thinner drier air starts felling kind of daffy and invades down below into the troposphere, we would want to know what has changed. And we’d want to go through the whole process of coming up with hypotheses and ranking and re-ranking them for plausibility as the data rolls in. We don’t want to leave this question just hanging in the air (ho ho). I already think I know the answer. But two people who downvoted me on the prior open thread must each have more and better potential explanations. So you know. Don’t act like a trace gas hysteric. Give it up.

    So why the excessive self-segregation in the first place during some periods. But why the behaviour change at other times and thinner drier ducking below where it is supposed to be. That would seem defy any amount of physics. As if the melted butter on top of someones a brew went and ducked under the hot coffee. Something is afoot here. Because its those little anomalies that are ignored that we rely on to guide us to superior paradigms.

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  2. As the labour market continues to give me the thumbs down, my best ever swimmer gives me a vote of confidence.

    I SEZ:

    Hey Champ. Kids everywhere. Terrific. No-one will give me a job at the moment. You reckon a reference from my best swimmer would help any?

    THE CHAMP SEZ:

    Come to Melbourne… we’ll start a squad together
    You were the best coach I had ever come across so it’d be a shame to waste that talent

    SO I SEZ:

    Ha ha. I should have contacted you before unemployment burned through all my savings. What a neat idea that would be. You don’t think you could write a letter to that effect anytime you get a chance do you? It might improve my odds. They don’t want to employ 54 year olds.

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  3. My wonderful ex-wife used to call the human resources section of her organisation “Human Sausage” That was her English as a second language way of calling them a bunch of peckerheads.

    My ideology is that the labour market cannot work well unless money and banking have been sound for a long period of time. I don’t buy into this frictional unemployment jive. My thinking is that the labour market is failing unless there is virtually zero unemployment. Because unless there is almost full employment the Human Sausage departments start saving time by way of arbitrary exclusion.

    Look at the “Seek” employment advertisements. They are all about exclusion.

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  4. So as an elite swimmer the champ got to interact with a wide range of elite and heralded coaches. He still says that I was the best. Actually I was flawed where female psychology and necessary coach tact was concerned. But I knew that then and as a 54 year old I know I would be much better at getting the girls to peak for the big races than I was in my twenties.

    One good thing about sending the Champ to compete with the Queenslanders when he was twelve years old was that he would come back humbled. Instead me, the Champ and his Mother were so successful at getting him to peak, he basically polished the concrete with these guys at nationals and came back just as big headed as before.

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  5. Israel performed the murder of an American in order to provide a faux-justification for the murder of the Soliemani peace delegation.

    Sure sure. Everyone loves the Donald, but this is extremely bad karma.

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  6. Still coming down from the flooding earlier tonight. The people who own this business are either practicing witch-craft or their good karma has caught up with them. Because the water was lapping at the sandbags just three hours ago. Now its a good 18 feet below the bridge.

    We just dodged the bullet bigtime.

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  7. Evidence that Israel was involved in trying to get the Ukrainian shoot-down of that plane in Iran. SINCE NOW THEY’VE DONE THE SAME THING AGAIN. So its the Jews who have proven their form. Plus Israel has confessed that ISIS was their front group. Or rather they have confessed to arming and supplying them. Which is the famous Jew plea bargain for greater crimes.

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  8. 11 “Diversity Deans” in Cornell. This came up in a discussion of why education is ridiculously expensive. Here we have a reason why the Andrew Yang approach is good. Because you give everyone the “freedom dividend” and just eliminate these bullshit jobs with relish. No Mercy.

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  9. Sleazy is a bit of a subjective term isn’t it? Stone strikes me as a bit sleazy also. But its not appropriate to let anyone be jailed purely on the basis of Jew persecution. I’d be wanting a straight pardon for Stone. Not a reduction in a sentence that was cooked up purely by way of Jew malice. Aaron Zelinsky , Jonathan Kravis, Adam Jed, Michael Marando. These are the four prosecutors that resigned. They shouldn’t have been persecuting a gentile in the first place.

    Marando may not sound like a Jew name but his wife is Joanne Wasserman. And this is the prosecutors that resigned. What about the Jews that didn’t resign. So any time you see these Kangaroo courts in action you ought to be happy about a reduction in sentencing.

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  10. Quite impressed that this kid picked Larry as his current all-time favourite. Clearly Wilt and Kareem are both taller and more athletic. Larry cannot compete with the super-human nature of Michael Jordan. Hard to stand up to someone who can fly. But the kid is picking up on a kind of character vibe. True grit. Kid says “This is like watching Jesus playing basketball.” He’s reaching into something going further than mere athleticism.

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  11. Mont Pelerin Society. A bunch of posers who want free enterprise for the poor, welfarism for the banks, and ponzi-money for the rich. They actually see Peter as representative of free enterprise. These are very stupid people. Still Peter has many worthy insights. A horribly skewed view of things but very interesting just the same.

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    1. Note he didn’t say “Vote Tulsi instead.” He’s just this horrible pox. But the good thing was that everyone was on top of the situation now. Realising him for the parasite he is. Someone even posted a photo of him with Jizz Maxwell. I’m supposing it was at about this point you decided he should be interrogated with rhetorical questions, at the end of a rope, rather than taking all his gear, and having him at Guantanamo to loosen his tongue.

      Comes a point where a lot of the public just aren’t going to want to listen to such people any more. Its like “Fuck it. I don’t want to put you in stress positions to make you talk. I want to make sure you don’t talk any more.”

      I’d be satisfied if all his wealth were taken and the funds lent at zero interest to sole traders for the purchase of producer goods. But then again, if someone dropped his body outside of Rothschild manor, and could get away with it, might send a message.

      Did you see that the Yang campaign is suspended for now? He’ll be back. I was going to write a series of posts to show that Yangs view of the situation is what I would call “provisionally correct.”

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  12. Yang is out for this round. There may be a strong incentive to pick him up as a Vice Presidential candidate. But only for an anti-Deep State candidate. Tulsi the only very good candidate left. Still four years of Bernie probably would do some good. Probably restore some level of decency. But Bernie will be blind as a bat to deep state deception.

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  13. There is this fellow called WXCycles over at Joannes place. All his observations prove what I say about electrical energy moving through the atmosphere. Yet he himself denies this. Its just incredible really. The way science is an exercise in mind control. Even the others seem to be in denial of what I’m on about and you would think they, of all people, would be motivated to get this right. Here is some comments currently under moderation:

    If electrical energy is moving from the ionosphere to the deep earth there should be subtle signs for this particular science taboo. As really as very obvious signs. Obvious signs are jet streams, lightning, and everything Cycles talks about. But a subtle sign is carbon 14 production. This touches on another taboo. The misinformation campaign with regards to fusion.

    “Carbon-14 is produced in the upper layers of the troposphere and the stratosphere by thermal neutrons absorbed by nitrogen atoms. When cosmic rays enter the atmosphere, they undergo various transformations, including the production of neutrons. The resulting neutrons (1n) participate in the following n-p reaction:”

    I would consider that the transformation of nitrogen to carbon 14 to be an example of fusion. Full-blown alchemy. But its a bit of scandal to refer to it as such. The world of science is controlled by myriad trip-wires. The neutrons involved in this fusion are called “thermal neutrons.” This itself sounds like misdirection because the neutrons are cold. They are the same temperature as the molecules around them. So they don’t smash into the nucleus of a nitrogen molecule. These neutrons just kind of sashay up alongside the N2 gas molecule and ease their way in. Presumably because of the electrical conditions that hold sway at that particular altitude wherein all these carbon 14 atoms are produced. Bear in mind that not long ago kids were practicing fusion in their Dads garage using a toy called a Fusor. We see all sorts of excuses not to allow ourselves to see the fusion going on in the tails of comets. The solar wind provides the electrical environment as well as the raw materials to start the fusion process in the tail of the comet. What do we see preferentially produced? Water vapour and hydro-carbons. The mainstream had to invent the Oort cloud to cover for the water vapour. But they prefer to stay silent on the hydro-carbons. Halleys comet shows up with the hydrocarbons of a middle eastern nation dragging along behind it.

    Water molecule polarisation allows for greater conductivity than the atmosphere at large. Other than water vapour, the other gasses in the atmosphere are natural insulators, unless they are ionised. The polarisation of water molecules and the ionisation of other molecules is what allows for easier transmission of electrical energy in these gasses.

    So in that context what is special about where this carbon 14 is being produced? Not in the ionosphere and not in the lower troposphere. Carbon-14 is produced in the upper layers of the troposphere and the stratosphere…. Clearly this is below where many gas molecules are ionised but above where there are all that many water molecules. In other words its where the electrical capacitance buildup will be at its greatest. Its that same region where Cycles sees all these energetic effects but cannot account for the power. He sees the fantastic power. But he cannot account for the fantastically energetic nature of it.

    But we know what it is. Its not any sort of mystery. Its a simple matter of lining up the various forms of stored energy and choosing the one that stands out. There is quite literally no other way to store huge amounts of energy in thin cold air. Its not thermal energy thats being stored in the lower stratosphere right? So we just have to get a bit real about these things. Stop being silly about these things. Not be constipated about these things. This takes the open understanding that we are being oppressed and controlled at every level not excluding in science.

    Its really not that hard to figure out what type of energy we are talking about. You just list all the types of energy there are alleged to be. Chromodynamic and Rest energy are a bit dubious. But if we look at the other sources the answer is electrical energy. Anyone who would say otherwise is just playing silly-buggers. Thats where all this top down weather is coming from. Since the radiant energy goes straight down to the ground barely molested. Only slightly filtered. We aren’t talking about some sort of sensible disagreement here. We are talking about oligarchical control measures.

    1. Mechanical
    2. Electric
    3. Magnetic
    4. Gravitational
    5. Ionization
    6. Nuclear
    7. Chromodynamic
    8. Elastic
    9. Mechanical wave
    10. Sound wave
    11. Radiant
    12. Thermal.

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  14. Supposing there is a hurricane gaining energy at night. And you are wondering “where is all this energy coming from?” Or supposing you are contemplating how it is that the jet streams can accelerate during the night-time? One thing you could do is go to the wikipedia and make a list of all the energy types there are, and then figure out which of these 1. Can constitute a massive source of stored energy 2. Can be readily converted to wind energy in a natural setting and 3. Cannot be ruled out as the stored energy source for the subject at hand.

    Here are the energy sources listed by the Wikipedia: 1. Mechanical 2. Electric 3. Magnetic 4. Gravitational 5. Ionization 6. Nuclear 7. Chromodynamic 8. Elastic 9. Mechanical wave 10. Sound wave 11. Radiant 12. Thermal 13 Rest

    We are going to knock out Mechanical since the wind is itself mechanical energy, and if the unknown energy source switched off the winds would die down. Not gain energy. We can eliminate radiant energy since its night-time and there is no way to focus the radiant energy from luke-warm water into a monstrous extreme weather event that releases as much energy as a nuclear weapon every few seconds. Energy spreads out. It doesn’t focus except by exceptional and usually artificial means. Energy flux density is reduced with time. We can eliminate sound waves. Thermal energy isn’t going to fly since that would manifest as upward swirling and more or less randomised motion. It may be part of the structure of a hurricane but cannot explain its force. Nor can it be causing the sustained horizontal winds of the jet streams. We can eliminate Elastic. Chromodynamic is just some theory about quarks and things. Thats out. Dubious from the start. Rest energy is some Einsteinian speculation. Probably nonsense but at least not relevant here. Ionisation may play a big part, and probably does, but not as the main reservoir of stored energy.

    Gravitational is interesting. The Connolly father and son team were trying to incorporate this energy source being as they could see sinking air in the stratosphere. Probably seeing much of the same things as Cycles is. But it cannot be a powerful energy source when its cold thin air slowly sinking. Rather than thick air slamming down. And if you having sinking air you have to account for its mysterious prior buoyancy. Which turns out to be very easy to account for.

    So I think we are down to electric and magnetic. We’ve grown up listening to NASA talking about powerful events on the sun. They always put these down to magnetism simply because they don’t understand what is happening on the sun, and they don’t understand magnetism either. So its a good fit for the public servants. Some theologians have their God-of-gaps and NASA has its magnetism of gaps. They fall to magnetism as an explanation also, because somebody made electrical energy Tapu sometime back. In mainstream science, you are only supposed to allow electricity if you cannot rule it out. I’ve never seen good evidence that magnetism can be used as a form of terrific energy storage, that can readily be converted to mechanical energy. But then someone else could bring up examples perhaps. In any case electricity and magnetism go together. Magnetic fields tend to be created by electrical currents but NASA and friends will forget about the horse and concentrate on the cart.

    So while we are down to only two. Really the standout is electricity. This can be stored in a capacitor. And I think the area above cloud level amounts to a gigantic capacitor. Free space is a capacitor also. But thin dry air is probably an even better capacitor than space. So what happens is you have this electrical energy buildup in space. Partly created by the solar wind. Then what happens is that the light from the sun hits our outer atmosphere and ionises the particles up there. The ionised gasses become good conductors of electricity. This helps funnel the electrical energy down to where there are few ionised particles left. This is our energy storage. But when this energy comes in contact with banks of clouds, it aligns the water molecules in such a way as they conduct a little bit also. It may even ionise some of these water molecules. And this is where the action that we call “the weather” really gets going. Well actually it gets started in impressive fashion somewhat above that level in the jet streams. The electrical energy wants to earth but cannot do so, hence all this horizontal power.

    If anyone is in denial about any of this they might want to revisit the list of energy sources again. For an alternative explanation.

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  15. The Larry Bird approach to psyching dudes out. When the score was in the balance he would go so far as to announce the play to both his guys and the opposing team. Then he would do exactly what he had predicted under the most extreme pressure and no-one could seem to do squat about it. Of course this could never work against freaks of nature like Jabar or Jordan. But imagine a player getting about with that sort of zen.

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  16. Extraordinary example of Jewish reversal from two years ago. The Jews were arming ISIS. Essentially ISIS was their front group. But here the Jew turns it around on Iran. Then he sets up an alibi for attacking Syria whenever he feels like it. The attacks extending into the present day. In the comments section you’ll note that the Jews are more than happy with this state of affairs.

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  17. One of the great things about checking out Larry Bird is just how popular he is with hard-core black basketball fans. And players by the way. They rate him so highly. They may be rating him TOO highly. Any kind of racism just flies out the window when they contemplate this fellow. When I was a kid I was often asked if I was related. But sadly I’d have to suggest that, if so it would have to go all the way back to Ulster. No close relative at all.

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  18. From Elsewhere:

    After stewing on matters for a couple of days, I see my mental model as working very well with your inner oblate infrared star; biased North. Spookily well if you think about negative charges generated from the centre and positive charges coming down from above, with the charges seeking each-other out at distance, taking some materials with them. The ice-covered land is the ultimate blocking factor, the sea water is the second worst conductor and the land without ice does better. With volcanoes being the best of all conductors. Listed in order of conductivity 1-4.

    All works out very nicely and almost too nicely. But the charges have to almost “want” to move towards they can meet at a distance.

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  19. From elsewhere.

    “….what is the mechanism that causes the stratosphere to become buoyant for a few decades, then to sink once more?”

    Thats a thing to dwell on isn’t it? If thin cold air stays suspended above thicker “wetter” air thats a little bit strange since you would expect some low level mixing the whole time. But still its fair enough. Its lighter, its drier. But if that same thinner drier air starts felling kind of daffy and invades down below into the troposphere, we would want to know what has changed. And we’d want to go through the whole process of coming up with hypotheses and ranking and re-ranking them for plausibility as the data rolls in. We don’t want to leave this question just hanging in the air (ho ho). I already think I know the answer. But two people who downvoted me on the prior open thread must each have more and better potential explanations. So you know. Don’t act like a trace gas hysteric. Give it up.

    So why the excessive self-segregation in the first place during some periods. But why the behaviour change at other times and thinner drier ducking below where it is supposed to be. That would seem defy any amount of physics. As if the melted butter on top of someones a brew went and ducked under the hot coffee. Something is afoot here. Because its those little anomalies that are ignored that we rely on to guide us to superior paradigms.

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  20. Of course I knew the answers to the above question and the experts at Joannes place prove me right on a weekly basis. I’m not butthurt about it, because Joannes a true Australian patriot. She has to protect her blog. She cannot let me bring her blog into disrepute so she cannot have me humiliating her best contributors.

    But still its just a thing of wonderment and amazement that even the better scientists cannot face facts.

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  21. On moderation elsewhere:

    A really good intellectual exercise would be to compare the heat retention implications for two different columns of air. The first is a column of water vapour saturated air, but without clouds. The second column of air is also water vapour saturated, and without clouds. But in the second column of air, the latent heat of evaporation is never latent. In the second column of air the latent heat is always 100% manifest in temperature.

    What would that do to the heat retention capabilities of water vapour saturated column of air? I think it would decimate it. Because the temperature might be 30 degrees higher. Which would cause the heat to rise. Plus the direction of thermal energy would change and the loss of thermal energy from the column would intensify.

    So anyone who is taking this heat retention, and just reflexively saying “greenhouse effect” …. thats got to be looked at.

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  22. The above is me trying to more succinctly explain what I explained in the thread about water vapour being schizophrenic. The problem with this greenhouse effect propaganda isn’t so much that its wrong in every last respect. Its just that its blinded everyone, dumbed them down, and there isn’t the attention to detail.

    You see if it wasn’t for that ability of the water vapour to carry all this thermal energy in latent form, water vapour would be a net cooler everywhere by my estimation. Thats not just its greenhouse characteristics we are talking about when I make that judgement call. That so much thermal energy can be imbedded in latent form changes everything because that energy would be lost to space very quickly were this not the case.

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