Here is where Lizzie beat up on me over at Catallaxy.
Old Tom Below Parr, you are a prize idiot.
First you rabbit on at the end of the Corona Virus Thread saying that a virus by itself can’t do much damage. Hello? Smallpox, Rubella for a foetus, HIV, Measles, Ebola and so on. The 1918 Influenza virus and plenty of others too didn’t need much help. In 1918, some people died within 24 hours or less of showing haemorrhagic viral attack in a variety of body tissues and systems, or just from total viral shock without haemorrhagic expression. The consensus now is that only one transmuting virus was responsible too. And then there were the secondary pathogenic attacks.
Lizzie sure knows her epidemiology doesn’t she? I think she had a big responsible job in epidemiology at a university when she was a bit younger. After doing a man’s job for so long I suppose that could be one of the reasons she feels a need to over-emphasise her femininity on Catallaxy. I don’t think thats a bad thing at all. Quite the contrary; I wish there was more of it. Its just something to note.
Yeah I can see I wasn’t careful enough when I talked about this one on Catallaxy and I can see why I was raising peoples temperature by playing down just how powerful a single virus can be. Unfortunately Sinclair wiped my somewhat cavalierly written posts on this matter so I cannot reproduce them and show where I was being a bit ridiculous. And also clarifying what I meant.
Lets number down what she has mentioned.
2. Rubella for a foetus
6. Spanish Flu
My argument, perhaps poorly worded, goes a bit like this; If you are tanked up on Iodine and vitamin D beforehand. If you have some selenium now, and more stashed away when this virus hits town. And if you have a great big hoard of liposomal vitamin C, plus someone looking after you, no one virus ought to be able to do you in. I’m not too much disagreeing with Lizzie really. Because I admit that I was sounding a bit cavalier, pointing to the possibility of a beat-up, or alternatively of a more serious biological attack going on.
So what I’m saying is, since I was trying to put three hypotheses on the table (beat-up, biological warfare, and real organic disease) that made me play up a fundamental weakness of a single virus.
My argument is that a virus lacks the genetic sophistication to create serious poisons. But earlier I had admitted that this virus could really fuck you up because it goes after your lungs.
A single virus can usually only kill you if it throws you into a vicious cycle.
I am particularly susceptible to that sort of lurgy that gets in your lungs. Since I spent 22 years breathing in flour in my workplace. So I, least of all, want to be unprepared for this particular nasty when it rolls out here in the winter. Once you get into a vicious cycle, where you can never sleep, because lying down makes you cough so much you can barely breath. So you cannot sleep. So you cannot fight off the virus. So you die.
I don’t usually believe in drugs and medications. But here I make an exception. I go straight for the cough suppressant so my lungs don’t get too irritated by the coughing. I also mentioned that we need to have our beds tilted upward. So that lying down doesn’t bring on the coughing. I’ve got ten ways to get rid of viruses from the rest of my body. But they are so hard to get rid of from some of these extremities like the lungs. Or the skin. Or if the nasty bacterial infection is hiding in a rotten tooth. Very easy to clear a body of the virus proper. Very hard to chase the virus beyond these extremities.
So lets go through these examples mentioned by hyper-feminine Lizzie.
1. Smallpox. Kills through bleeding. Hard to get it out of your skin. You have to kind of pay that one. But notice it died out once we had a lot of flush toilets and clean drinking water. Viruses can be very infectious. But you’d have to wonder about how infectious this one is with hand-washing, flush toilets, a lot of sunlight coming into houses, and sterilised water. Because as deadly as it was, smallpox turned out to have short legs, once hygienic conditions were improved
How would smallpox go if we had high vitamin D levels, liposomal vitamin C on hand, cranked up on iodine which I’m slipping into my beer right now? Plenty of Selenium? How would we go? We will never know. Though it appears to have cut through scantily clad (one imagines) North American Indians? We don’t have the details. We can make no sound judgement. I suspect that if we had all these things on the fly smallpox would stay local.
2. Rubella for the foetus. So you want Mum to have caught Rubella already. Caught and recovered from Rubella before she gets pregnant. To the rest of us Rubella is pretty harmless. In fact we want to have had it. Of course a developing foetus can be knocked off its path of sound development very easily.
3. HIV Sorry Lizzie I don’t have to pay that one. While I may be exaggerating when I say that viruses don’t have the genetic sophistication to put down a well looked after person (with a string of caveats) not so with HIV. Because these retro-viruses are even so much more primitive than normal viruses. Nope. Thats not a valid example. The cells they infect last no more than about six weeks. The best that a retro-virus could do on one of these cells, is to add a tiny amount of extra overhead to the immune system.
4. Measles. Case in point. Supposing Mum was never vaccinated and she got measles as a kid. Suppose you get breast-fed until you are 4. You stop being breast-fed. You catch measles. Mum watches you closely and looks after you. Your immune system only gets better.
5. Ebola. Attacks the skin. Pretty hard to get rid of these skin infections. But notice. It never really spread to the rich countries. If you had all these things on hand that I’ve already listed the repair job would be almost as fast as the damage being done.
Looks like its a poor country problem. I think people who were looked after in the way I suggest would pull through pretty quickly. Unless you get into a vicious cycle.
Note how once your skin was peeling off then you open yourself to other problems. Thats the vicious cycle I’m talking about. Its probably only when these secondary problems are opened up that this would cause too much of a problem for you, which would make it too hard to fight off the initial virus. Without the secondary problems, and with selenium and liposomal vitamin C, I imagine the virus would be gone in a short period of time, like most viruses.
6. Spanish Flu. Thought to be neither Spanish nor flu nor even a single virus. Biological warfare so it doesn’t really count.
I am not saying that Lizzie didn’t win that argument with a good clean knockdown. Its just that my reasoning was spread over several comments. She probably read one poorly worded screed, and as an expert in the field, she would have been mortified.
As I said Sinclair wiped out all my comments. But I advanced a similar argument over at opinion-dominion. I don’t think Steve has gotten rid of it. So I’ll reproduce it here:
“Probably Soon is over there using Chinese slang terms as deep cover. Chinese people can see us as smelling bad being as we tend to be more hairy than they are and they can smell the dairy products on our sweat. I’m here sweating all the time and probably clear through until April. Believe me I shower often. But if I want friends who are Asian girls all over again I better be perfumed up because those girls have noses like bloodhounds.
Nonetheless there is a scintilla of truth to the idea that the Chinese can be a breeding ground for new viruses and I believe its to do with part of their country being deficient in Selenium. Though today the deep state will be trying all manner of population control and ways to sicken all of us in general, and the Chinese people particularly.
We all better have a good stash of selenium, super high dose vitamin D from overseas. And if you can afford it a big box of lipisomal vitamin C. Also start building up the iodine in your system and maybe even think about colloidal silver. Think about leaning your bed uphill in some way, so that you can breathe better if you can barely get out of bed for a few days.
Viruses don’t normally have the genetic sophistication to hurt people all that much. But this one appears to be going straight for the lungs. If you can keep breathing you will pull through.”
I hope this post isn’t as flippant sounding as the one that lead to Lizzie beating me senseless in an argument. I’m not saying viruses cannot kill people. Clearly they can. But if you prepare and you have people who care about you, you should pull through.
Okay so you see why I looked authentically a bit silly this time around at Catallaxy. And it may seem that me getting beat up is what this post is about.
Thats not the issue. I want you to read this one over and over and over. Because I’ve included everything you need to face down this lurgy, should it make it here in an organic sense, this winter. Just read it again and find out about everything I want you to do to beat this thing. Not excluding tilting your bed. And you’ll get through it. Even if you have but one single family member continually washing sheets and carrying soup.